Tesla Model 3 Tax Credit Guesstimator

I have created a spreadsheet to estimate the Federal tax credit that one might expect based upon a number of values. The values in the current spreadsheet are for example only. I do not have enough information to provide reasonable estimates. I leave that up to the user.

Note that the spreadsheet may have errors. Please let me know if you find any. Also note that the spreadsheet may not have been created in the most  efficient manner. I just wanted to complete the spreadsheet quickly.

Additionally, I do not know my own Model 3 reservation sequence number. I have a reservation, but I do not know how to decode it. If anyone knows how to decode it, I can put that into the spreadsheet as well.

Tesla Model 3 Tax Credit Estimator – Rev A

Errors Fixed:
Rev A – Only the 50% tax credit was calculated. The spreadsheet has been updated to calculate 25% and 0%.

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Electric Vehicle Battery Warranty Watcher

Purpose

The purpose of this blog is to share information regarding the warranties of the traction batteries for electric and hybrid vehicles.

Capacity Loss

Specifically, I am attempting to determine whether or not vehicle manufacturers provide in the warranty a statement regarding capacity loss. I am looking for statements in the warranty that are specific and binding without qualifiers such as “estimate” or “believe”.

I believe this is an important issue which many consumers may overlook. I believe that many consumers expect that the performance of the vehicle regarding electric vehicle range (or MPG in the case of hybrids) will not change much for the life of the vehicle. The reason that I believe this is that, barring an actual failure such as losing compression in a cylinder, most vehicles with internal combustion engines do not get significantly worse range on a tank of gas as they age. I intend to post periodic updates as I obtain information from the manufacturers.

I would prefer that the manufacturers of electric and hybrid vehicles post a loss of capacity figure and time which would trigger a replacement. For example, “the battery is warranted to have at least 60% of its original capacity for 5 years from the date of purchase”. Even if the values provided were poor, at least the consumer would have a guaranteed minimum capacity for a period of time. The consumer would then be in a position to decide whether or not they could live with a particular capacity loss for a particular period of time. As it is, without a warranted value, it appears that one could lose 90% of the original capacity gradually and the battery is not defective in as far as the manufacturer is concerned. I realize that 90% seems to be an extreme example, but a 90% loss would seem to me to render the vehicle useless.

I welcome corrections from manufacturers as I intend to produce the most accurate information that is available.

Please note that the column “Party Accepting Risk of Gradual Loss” is my opinion of the data provided to me by the manufacturer through their web site or an e-mail message.

Vehicle Status/Response Source Party Accepting Risk of Gradual Loss
Acura ILX Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Audi Q5 Hybrid SUV Research pending NA Unknown
BMW 3 Series Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
BMW i3 8 years / 100,000 miles Battery is replaced when State of Health (SoH) is 70% (State of Health to be determined by the Diagnosis System) Presentation (slide 43) Brochure BMW
BMW 5 Series Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
BMW ActiveHybrid 5 Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
BMW ActiveHybrid 7 Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
BMW ActiveHybrid X6 SUV Research pending NA Unknown
Buick LaCrosse Sedan In regard to your inquiry, we recommend visiting with your preferred Buick dealership in order to inspect the details of the vehicle warranty. E-mail from Buick Customer Support Unknown
Cadillac Escalade Hybrid SUV Research pending NA Unknown
Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid See Chevrolet web site Chevrolet web site Consumer
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 Hybrid Crew Cab See Chevrolet web site Chevrolet web site Consumer
Chevrolet Spark EV See Chevrolet Spark EV Response below E-mail from Chevrolet Dealer Chevrolet
Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid SUV See Chevrolet Response below Chevrolet web site Consumer
Chevrolet Volt Hatchback See Chevrolet Response below, note changes based upon model year Chevrolet web site Chevrolet
Fisker Karma Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Ford C-Max Energi Wagon See Ford Response Below Ford web site Consumer
Ford C-Max Hybrid Wagon See Ford Response Below Ford web site Consumer
Ford Focus Electric See Ford Response Below Ford web site Consumer
Ford Fusion SE Hybrid Sedan See Ford Response Below Ford web site Consumer
GMC Sierra 1500 Hybrid Crew Cab Research pending NA Unknown
GMC Yukon Hybrid SUV Research pending NA Unknown
Honda Civic Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Honda CR-Z Hatchback Research pending NA Unknown
Honda Fit EV Hatchback Research pending NA Unknown
Honda Insight Hatchback Research pending NA Unknown
Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Sedan See Hyundai Response Below Hyundai web site Consumer
Infiniti M Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Kia Optima Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Kia Soul EV 70% after 10 years. Please see the Soul warranty terms for details. Kia Soul EV Warranty Kia
Lexus CT 15%h Hatchback Research pending NA Unknown
Lexus ES 50%h Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Lexus GS 450h Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Lexus HS 50%h Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Lexus LS 600h L Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Lexus RX 450h SUV Research pending NA Unknown
Lincoln MKZ Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Mercedes B-Class Electric Drive 70% over 8 years or 100000 miles Could not find MB link! Several references found similar to Car and Driver’s link Mercedes
Mercury Mariner Hybrid SUV Research pending NA Unknown
Mercury Milan Hybrid Sedan Research pending NA Unknown
Mitsubishi i-MiEV Hatchback See Mitsubishi Response below. Mitsubishi web site Consumer
Mitsubishi Outlander Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Nissan Leaf Hatchback (24kWh) Approximately 70% after 5 years. Please see the Nissan Leaf warranty terms for details. Nissan upgrades US Leaf warranties Nissan
Nissan Leaf Hatchback (30kWh) Approximately 70% after 8 years/100,000 miles. 2016 Warranty Information Book Nissan
Porsche 918 Spyder Coupe Research pending NA Unknown
Porsche Cayenne Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Porsche Panamera Hybrid Research pending NA Unknown
Tesla Model S Sedan Loss of Battery energy or power over time or due to or resulting from Battery usage, is NOT covered under this Battery Limited Warranty Warranty Consumer
Toyota Camry Hybrid Sedan See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Toyota Highlander Hybrid SUV See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Toyota Prius c Hatchback See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Toyota Prius Hatchback See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Toyota Prius Plug-in Hatchback See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Toyota Prius v Wagon See Toyota Response below E-mail from Toyota Unknown
Volkswagen e-Golf 70% after 10 years. Please see link for details. 2015 E-GOLF PRESS KIT Volkswagen
Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid Sedan See Volkswagen Response below E-mail from Volkswagen Consumer
Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid See Volkswagen Response below E-mail from Volkswagen Consumer

NA – Not Applicable

Chevrolet Spark EV Response (2011-2015):

The warranty says that specific Electric Proplusion components are covered for 8 years or 100,000 miles. It also says that “like all batteries the amount of energy that can be stored will decrease with time and miles and may degrade as little as 10% or as much as 35% of capacity over the warranty period.”

Chevrolet Spark EV Response (2016-):

Propulsion Battery Warranty Policy (Chevrolet Volt and Spark EV) Like all batteries, the amount of energy that the high voltage “propulsion” battery can store will decrease with time and miles driven. Depending on use, the battery may degrade as little as 10% to as much as 40% of capacity over the warranty period. See warranty here.

Chevrolet Volt Response (2011-2015):

What Is Covered

This Voltec warranty covers repairs to correct any Voltec component defect related to materials or workmanship occurring during the 8-year/150,000 mile term for the following:

Propulsion Battery Warranty Policy

Like all batteries, the amount of energy that the high-voltage “propulsion” battery can store will decrease with time and miles driven. Depending on use, the battery may degrade as little as 10 percent to as much as 30 percent of capacity over the warranty period. A dealer service technician will determine if the battery energy capacity (kWh storage) is within the proper limit, given the age and mileage of the vehicle. Your Volt battery warranty replacement may not return your vehicle to “as-new” condition, but it will make your Volt fully operational appropriate to its age and mileage.

Chevrolet Volt Response (2016-):

Propulsion Battery Warranty Policy (Chevrolet Volt and Spark EV) Like all batteries, the amount of energy that the high voltage “propulsion” battery can store will decrease with time and miles driven. Depending on use, the battery may degrade as little as 10% to as much as 40% of capacity over the warranty period. See warranty here.

Ford Response:

The Lithium-ion battery (EV battery) will experience gradual capacity loss with time and use (similar to all lithium-ion batteries), which is considered normal wear and tear. Loss of battery capacity due to or resulting from gradual capacity loss is NOT covered under the New Vehicle Limited Warranty. See your Owner’s Manual for important tips on how to maximize the life and capacity of the Lithium-ion battery.

Hyundai Response:

Please note that I asked for specific information regarding the hybrid battery warranty at the dealership and only received a reprint of the web site as shown below.

Lifetime Battery Warranty* for original owner and the 10-Year/100,000-Mile Hybrid Components Protection coverage is transferable to subsequent owners.
Hyundai’s Blue Drive Hybrid components consists of:
– Hybrid Battery Pack Assembly
– Hybrid Starter Generator
– Hybrid Power Control Unit
– Automatic Transmission including Traction Motor
See the sections above or the Owner’s Manual for additional details on Hyundai’s hybrid vehicle warranty coverage.

* Hybrid Battery Replacement Guarantee applies to all U.S. 2012 model year Sonata Hybrids. The Hyundai Lifetime Hybrid Battery Replacement Guarantee ensures that if the 2012 Sonata Hybrid lithium polymer battery fails, Hyundai will replace the battery and cover recycling costs for the old battery pack free of charge to the original owner. The coverage is not transferrable, and does not apply to lease and commercial vehicles or vehicles serviced outside the U.S.

Mitsubishi i-MiEV Response:

The Vehicle’s Main Drive Lithium-ion Battery is covered for defects in material and workmanship for 8 years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first. Gradual capacity loss of the Main Drive Lithium-ion Battery based on time and usage is NOT covered under this warranty.

Toyota Response:

Please feel free to speak with your Toyota dealer’s Service Advisors if you would like to discuss Toyota’s warranty terms.

Volkswagen Response:

We do not have any information in relation to a specific level of loss for battery replacement for either the Jetta or Touareg Hybrid vehicles.